Am the new owner of an apartment that has its original maple floors from 1903. This color combination was created by user Rocco. I dunno we will see! which is a rich mahogany. . Ultimately, this is why I would never deliver a piece of furniture without showing the client a test sample so they can see exactly what they are getting. I would probably drop all the way back down to the lowest grit you started with. I wish I had read this before starting my library shelves 5 years ago. Its getting all the deeply absorbed color out that’s the problem. What do you recommend? We like the simple plain color and aren’t looking for another color just a clear satiny or matte finish that protects them. We don’t want people to notice that there are two different woods in use. You can still apply an additional finish to your stained maple cabinets to achieve a different aesthetic. Tell me where can I get dark cherry finish? Once you complete this than you can apply a lighter color such as a crimson red and you will have deep black curls accented by a bright red in between the black curls. I ordered GF in colonial maple gel stain, and the gel top coat to finish it. What are your reccommended materials for a door that will be in high humidity like a bathroom? I am using the Polyshades stains with the varathane built in. This is do to the varying densities in the wood, some stain will penetrate deeper in the softer wood and not as much in the denser wood. As for whether you should request new doors? You can narrate it. I am extremely happy with my results, and here’s how I did it. Zinnser shellac, for instance, is at a 3lb cut. we shied away from waterbourne because my husband thought it wouldn’t protect well enough with it being a countertop and thus exposed to a lot of moisture/water with the sink and dish drainer area built into it. Im well aware of the density of wood and blochiness it could create. I wouldn’t add any shellac as that will actually make it harder to get the color you are after. Once it cures, just topcoat with your finish of choice and you’ll be good to go. Unfortunately, I am not well-versed in stripper brands. And if thats not strong enough, start using a little pigment in the mix. We have factory finished very very dark maple hardwood floors. I got a beautiful dinning table made out of knotted line that I tried to stain with Minmax Jacobean. Should I request new doors. American Hardwoods: Mix- Don’t Match –Wood Textures and Colors; Experts Across the U.S. Urge Diversity in Design. As I recommended above, you are gong to want to dilute to about 1/2-1lb cut. I do samples but you can never know exactly how absorbant all areas will be, so I start with a thinned coat to see where I might have a problem, then add coats or go directly to gel stain depending on how dark I am forced to go. I’ve built a cabinet using maple plywood and solid maple trim, I applied the first coat of Minwax (dark walnut) stain last night and it’s blotchy as can be – My samples looked great and I finished those with a tung oil, but now the project as a whole I’m very nervous it’s ruined at this point. Let us know how it works out for you. Probably within an hour or so is fine. Any product claim, statistic, quote or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider or party in question. There are many things to think about when choosing cabinets! Hello, how soon after applying the cut shellac should the stain be applied? If I was to now use a polyurethane over the sanded wood wood that match the colours on the rest of the stairs. Helllo there, we just built a house and had our cabinets throughout our house custom build. This will get the color right where you want it. The SW recommendation is not bad for a wood that isn’t prone to blotch. Apply your next color. He did two coats of Minwax cherry and now they’re doing the same thing. The blotches are significant enough to ruin the entire look. My suggestion would be to stop using the Minwax stain. Keep in mind that cherry blotches too so you might have just ended up with the same problem, depending on the staining method used by the maker. Frankly, I have no idea why an oil-based varnish would cause the surface to turn a dark color like that. We just purchased new maple cabinets that are unfinished and not yet installed. :). Multi coats? Do you have another suggestion? I have a HVLP gun to spray it. It’s just a question of whether or not you want to do the work. Any suggestions? What do I do? But to answer your other question about what you should have used, my recommendation would have been waterborne finish. They want dark reddish brown. I am also using a pre-swtain wood condioner. Sugar maple wood—often known as "hard maple"—is the wood of choice for bowling pins, bowling alley lanes, pool cue shafts, and butcher's blocks. kindly let me know what perticular conditioner to use as well as the type of stain product to go with. I am building kitchen cabinets using maple plywood and soft maple lumber for the raised panel doors. I know how to sand and refinish furniture but have never done a floor. Would you suggest I lay down shellac before I spray the dye to prevent bloches showing thru the dye. Are we crazy? Then, apply your topcoat of choice. After reading the entries above, I’ve wondered if its possible to add a thin coat of shellac now and continue staining to get my darker colour, or must I start over. We will also have to protect it from all the wiping and spilling that happens on restaurant counters, but we still want it to have that natural weathered gray look. Hello Ginger. i want to bring out the natural grain without staining the wood any help would be great. Hello! A crack is sometimes easier since it goes with the grain. So if the crack turns out a little bit darker, it tends to look like a natural grain line. The golden tones of the maple are light enough that your kitchen won't be overpowered by the cabinet and flooring combination as it might be with a darker wood like mahogany. If you have any last minute changes to my stain schedule, let me know! I didn’t know whether to cry or laugh. Hi there, We just installed a beautiful new set of stairs in our home. Some time in the 80’s or 90’s, they were stained a beautiful, milky white with slight pink and blue undertones that varied from board to board but as a whole they were deeply scratched and scuffed from years of traffic. Thank you so much! Now I’ve got two night stands which (i think) look quite nice but still not chocolate. But dang it….I can’t remember the name. We are remodeling out bathroom and we requested maple for the cabinets. So what you’re seeing is the natural ambering qualities of oil-based finishes. Whether that gives you a favorable result is still up in the air. Unfortunately that’s not much info to go on. First, after having three coats (the third curing as I type) of the stain currently on, is there any way to remove them or simply cover them, the scratches? All content on The Wood Whisperer is copyrighted, and may not be reprinted in full form without my written consent. What wood were you using and what was the stain product? In another words step-by-step instructions to finish a large surface of raw maple flooring. Will the corners be darker. Had I known what a nightmare this was going to be, just beginning woodworking, spending 2000 dollars on tools and wood already for my 10 piece full wall bookcase, I would have spent the extra money on another type of wood. Here’s a picture of the finished product with 2 coats of oil based polyurethane. On maple, some people like the natural blonde/white color and want to maintain it. I try to use the least amount of shellac that will give me the “anti-splotch” result when I apply stain. Varathane 1 qt. You will have the ability to acquire the cabinets of the color and sizes … Copyright © 2006-2020 The Wood Whisperer Inc. Greens, grays, whites and beiges are no-brainers. What I would recommend doing is taking a sample board with the Gunstock color already applied to a local Rockler store. I find that little bit of lacquer helps lock down the color. Make sure you are sanding consistently and if you can, use a random orbit sander. Check out these related posts: http://www.thewoodwhisperer.co.....-them-all/ http://www.thewoodwhisperer.co.....chy-woods/, hey all i am a novice framer and just got done doing a frame with an inlay on hardwood maple. (I have roots in the south so am familiar with white washed and pickled finishes – but have only seen it done on heart pine and cypress wood.) A neutral colored tile floor is an ideal pairing for light maple kitchen cabinets. Any finish left in the wood will inhibit absorption of stain, which might very well be what your already seeing when you try to stain. then some sanding and recoating, tthen sand again. Blair holds a Bachelor of Arts in Writing Seminars from the Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. There is no sure-fire solution because there are many that will work. We have installed Factory stained “Cinnamon Maple” maple wood floors in our home. I just had my house built and went with very dark maple kitchen cabinets and they look hidious. Just apply it like your cleaning a wood with mineral spirits. Hi Ray. Keep in mind that many commercial finishers use toners and pigmented stains. thanks for your advice, but up here in the wilderness of Canada, we don’t have General Finishes Gel stains. I like the grain subtle… And that being said, maple is affordable and plentiful in my area. so, i did a carving with maple, and usually when i carve i use a danish oil stain kind of thing for my stuff, but seems the grain is too tight to allow any stain to be absorbed into the maple. Yeah, I know, a highly figured piece of figured maple is hard to come by, but be selective when choosing wood for your project. I have read other articls about maple being hard to stain but wasnt sure if this was related.. I recommend following the concepts outlined in this video: http://www.thewoodwhisperer.co.....chy-woods/. Its all about the test boards, as you well know by now. Went to Sherwin Williams and picked a stain of Fruitwood for a light finish. Also, have seen some postings about gel-stains. Water-based isn’t the easiest stuff to work with so there will be a learning curve. Light flooring gives a monochromatic look. I don’t want each of these areas to stand out, and I want a more uniform color. Sometimes it is necessary to use multiple products to nail and exact color. But since you can’t really “remove” color with this product, its sounds to me like the only feasible thing to do is try to tone down the red with brown, as you suggested. I would probably recommend a 1/2lb cut to a 1 lb cut. For a fresh, bright look, choose white ceramic or vinyl tiles to create a cottage look for your kitchen. Can anyone tell me how to go about in staining this door. Take some chalk type paint of the color that you want the stain to match & just dot those areas with the paint. How durable are they and what kind of finish can you use on them. Its really sad to see a grown man cry:-{ I’ve read blogs and blogs on this and you are the only guy that actually tries to answer the question (thank you). Thanks for the feedback.The headboard is large and has been pieced together with small headless nails and dowels. I have a cherry color from Mini-Wax that I have put on maple scraps and I like it. I hope you can help. The grayer areas are not so easy. any suggestions on how to achieve this please please help me. OK, Sounds like maybe he used too heavy a cut of shellac in his sanding sealer. I am a weekend refinisher and the last time I tried to finish maple was 40 years ago when I was in college and it was a disaster. Gel stains don’t rely so much on absorption to work properly. We were thinking of staining the floors dark to match the existing woodwork better, plus we like the look of the dark floors that are popular now. While some finishing can be easily accomplished, I don’t know that I’d say finishing a set of maple stairs is really a DIY level job. If you only know of brands in the states that’s ok as I’m sure I’ll be doing a trip soon and might be able to pick some up there. I appreciate all your suggestions. However, there are millions of products and services on the web, and I only promote those products or services that I would use personally. Kathy i am too now trying to go dark! Neutral tiles work well with light cabinets. I was going to try to lightly sand the top and then put another coat of the stain on. However if you’re doing an outdoors project these products are not ideal due to their weakness to UV rays which will result in fading of the colors. Have you tried dyes? Hey Kathy. Uhg. Here goes: Staining maple is way easier than many would lead you to believe. I picked maple because I want a smooth clean look and maple has the least visible wood grain. I’ve only just discovered your site days ago and I am thankful to see a guy speak intelligently on the subject of woodworking and finishing, not just someone breathing in a microphone while trying to think of what he’s going to talk about. I used Minwax conditioner before I stain but still blotchy. 90% lacquer thinner, 10% lacquer, plus your color. Here’s a mix I would frequently use. Help please. :). What is meant by a “cut” of shellac? It was stained a cherry color, so we sanded off the stain to the original light colored wood. In Darin’s case, from the “orange” tone he describes, maybe a slight amount of blue-green, green, or yellow-green tint in the shellac sanding sealer would produce the brown color he wants in the finished (pun intended) product. then apply stain <—- I'm still confuse about these water,oil,gel based stain but I'm planning to use polyshade. This is a great site that I just discovered. If the color is pushing red, you might be on the right track trying to overlay some brown. Maple wood is characterized for its white color and its tight and even grain. Wet the wood with water before staining and let dry, this opens the grain to accept the stain evenly, then sand out with 320 grit going with the grain. You just might be sealing the surface a bit too much, so you aren’t getting the color change you should be. * GEL STAIN. I am staining birch plywood and Poplar hardwood in the same cabinet. Any advice? Now we really need to fix it. These are not easy calculations so most folks either estimate or use a chart or calculator. You aren’t dreaming. Here’s the short version: use gel stain! Color/Appearance: Unlike most other hardwoods, the sapwood of hard maple lumber is most commonly used rather than its heartwood. My question is in regards to finding a gel stain that matches the gunstock colour by Minwax. The stain is all blotchy. I use a much-thinned cut, about 1/2 lb or less, and use scraps to determine if the particular boards need an additional coat of sealer (usually We have been told that there are 9 coats of stain/finish on the floor. I have read many blogs about using dyes, shellacs and gel stains. I’d recommend something like a danish oil if you’re new to finishing. But the preparation process is definitely the first place I’d investigate. The sample is indeed white, but the undertones are now a bile yellow-green. Can I play around with the gel stain colors until I get it approved!! I lightly sanded and as pplied a custom stain. Watched your review on dyes and read several of your posts. You don’t want any surprises. What I would recommend though is getting a few scrap pieces of maple and testing out your finishing method first. David, MasterCraft ( Menards) maple unfinished doors. I would probably start by using some Charles Neil blotch control, followed by a dark brown dye, and finishing up with General Finishes Java gel stain. As always, do this on sample scrap first. Select a bright red ceramic or vinyl tile to add a pop of warm color to the room. What wood would you suggest that is easy to finish but isn’t grainy like oak? I always give honest opinions, findings, and experiences on products. If I used the colonial maple and then for my second coat the praire wheat, on samples of course. Our contractor has stained them and clear coated them (once). lol. After we got it home we tried it on one of the shaker style doors. I have maple cabinets they were stained but was not aware that veneers were use to apply the stain and the veneers are coming loose can the veneers be re glue or can I remove the veneers and paint them instead. Thanks in advance, K, Whenever changing the color of a piece, I prefer to go down to bare wood. What about when dying curly maple? I am planning on refinishing my drum kit, which are maple shells. I don’t use these so I can’t make a specific recommendation but those are the keywords that should get you started in your search. When people say it becomes blotchy, it’s usually do to a piece of maple that has minimal figure. 1st thing is sandpaper the wood I’ve tried transtint dark walnut dye (resulting in a dark ugly 80’s guitar look). Wood Colors are based on Wood Species and the Finish (Stain or Paint) applied which can also include a Glaze. You can also pair light maple with mid-toned wood flooring such as oak or hickory, which doesn't contrast as sharply with the cabinets but still adds visual interest to the room. Hi Kylie. In order for a finish like that to work properly, you probably don’t want to apply too many coats. Unfortunately the cheap/particular customers are usually the source of great referral business… a necessary evil I suppose LOL. I would totally post pics but i don’t see an option for that. 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